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Portfolio Recovery Associates, LLC
Anchor Receivables Management
Corporate Headquarters
120 Corporate Blvd.
Norfolk
Virginia
23502
800-772-1413
800-564-8818
757-519-9300
757-321-2504
866-296-0635
Mailing Address
P.O. Box 12914
Norfolk
Virginia
23541
4829 Hwy 45 North
Jackson
Tennessee
38305
New Market Mall
5200 West Mercury Blvd.
Hampton
Virginia
23666
500 West 1st Avenue
Hutchinson
Kansas
67501
PRAA (Holding @+/- .50)
Head Debt Collectors
Steve Fredrickson, CEO
Andrew Holmes, President
Craig Grube, Sr. VP
Donald A. Williams, Associate General Counsel
PRAA (Holding @ +/- $43.50
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They have to stop if asked. PERIOD. Don't, but are legally obligated to.
this debt does not show up on any of my credit reports with any of the 3 bureaus. These bottom feeders should be ashamed of themselves!
yet it is on my credit report.
why would it be there if they have no record of me?
I was called several times. by this company with a recorded message that went so fast it was impossible to get the information. One call was at 8 am Sat morning. Then I was called by a real person, who also spoke very fast, saying something about how they were going to collect a debt from my Capitol One account. They had no idea where I lived. She asked me for the last digit of my social, which I gave her, she announced I was the wrong person and took me "off" her list, what list? She was very agressive and threatening sounding.
These people are blood suckers and they don't care who they hurt. They have no soul!
One day I decided to answer the call and they asked for someone I have never heard of, explained them they had a problem and they said they would correct. Next day same thing, this time I yelled a bit, they apologized and said I must have had the number of the person who they were trying to get a hold of, not true because I have had the number for 10+ years.
Next day another call, yelled quite a bit and asked that they never call (I realize that it is fruitless, but it was fun yelling at a debt collector). I decided to let the answering machine do my bidding for a few more months with them calling, but finally got fed up again and answered. This time they asked for my minor son, I told them he wasn't available but would deal with the issue directly since he was a minor. Apparently they got the wrong kid since the person they were looking for was born in '76 rather than '96 (as my son).
PRA's explanation was a parsing error in their database (or some other BS argument).
I have no idea how they got my number, but I seem to be their default call for anyone with a similar name or whatever criteria they use to call me constantly.
I would love to do whatever it is to shut them up, tired of every evening (3-4 times some days) and see the number calling knowing well that they will ask for someone that I don't even know.
The moral of the story is, these guys are amateurs who don't know what they are doing. I suggest ignoring them and yelling (if it makes you feel better), but bottom line is, don't get bent out of shape if they call you.
Some numbers Portfolio Recovery Associates, LLC have tried to use to contact me:
205-423-4020
208-588-8181
404-592-5171
407-347-4014
412-282-1420
443-313-1380
484-489-2840
620-662-8870
731-984-7690
What these idiots don't realize is I use a Smartphone and can look up their number before answering. So put these numbers in your block list if you can.
In fact, I'm a cancer survivor and am on disability. Any money I did have was spent supporting myself last year when I was having treatments. Twice she wanted to know how much my disability was. Honestly! I finally told her I knew she worked for scavenger debt collectors, that her company purchases old debts that the original owners of the dept wrote off as a tax loss that year. Then your company purchases old debts for pennies on the dollar. After you go after either the owner, or anyone, and begin to strong arm, threaten..pretty much their bag of tricks have a deep, dark pocket. I asked her how she sleeps nights knowing she works for a corrupt company.
She said she works for a wonderful company. Really, I said. They must not let you have access to the internet, and I laughed.
If it looked like she was going to try and run me over with words, I beat her to it.
When I got tired of playing with her I told her that if her company even attempted to sue me all I would have to tell the court the alleged CC debt is Time-barred, which simply means the statute of limitations has run out. Just so the reader knows, I owned CC's back in 1996, but haven't owned any since. Did I default? Maybe, but if I did there were good reasons, as I pay my debts.
This woman's attempts at scaring me were weak at best. But I will say this. For those who don't know their agenda, and there must be a lot, as Portfolio Recovery is a thriving business and their ace in the hole is the average persons ignorance, and falling for their fear tactics. Maybe the best thing to do is to educate people about this company, and companies like them. Who knows, in time, we can all laugh them out of business. Want to hear something else funny? They still call me every day. They get my answering machine. Hope they like hearing my granddaughter rambling about nothing.
Thanks for letting me vent!
Marion
The lady I spoke with was rude, demanding and was asking very personal questions, I hung up on her when I had had enough.
I no longer have the canceled checks from 19 years ago, so I cannot prove that the payment was made, but would it matter.
So here it is. Have at it!
Mark Davidson
Assistant Vice President
Portfolio Recovery Associates
MGDAVIDSON@portfoliorecovery.com
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/credit/cre18.shtm
Read about your rights. I never knew this. Good Luck!
My mother received a call yesterday, March 14, from a PRA representative named "Linda." She was looking for me, Donna Riley-Lein, and my mother reports that she was rude on the phone.
I called the number she left when I returned home from work. Linda said that "anyone" could help me, and the woman who answered my call said that PRA was looking for me concerning a PayPal account. I replied that I had filed bankruptcy and that the debt was included in the filing. I said my name, and she did not ask about the spelling. I have a somewhat unusual name so I was surprised at that.
To say I was not believed was an understatement. I was told that she could look that information up and did I want to change that story before she looked it up.
To say I was offended is more of an understatement. My bankruptcy came as the result of an illness. Sorry, I survived.
She looked it up, then brought it to a supervisor.
Apparently I was correct. And then this woman had the nerve to say there “was no record” of anyone calling me that day.
My mother does not lie. And where would she get the return number? And why would the other woman have the PayPal information at hand?
At any rate, the call was in clear violation of the law. My treatment when I returned the call was also a violation. The account was included in the filing, and for anyone to contact me about the account is forbidden.
I have not decided what further action to take. I will contact my attorney regarding this matter.
2: DON'T BE BULLIED. These fools have decided in a time that a lot of people are broke, tired and scared, to feed on that vulnerability and call people with loud voices and empty threats because with the way things are right now (economically), people are apt to just lay down and give in. It's sick that they so openly feed off of a downed economy and I think that they are are a shining example of why society is sick. STAND UP FOR YOURSELF AND WHAT IS RIGHT!!
THE ONLY WAY TO WIN A BATTLE LIKE THIS AND HOPEFULLY RID OURSELVES OF PLACES LIKE THIS IS TO BEAT THEM AT THEIR OWN GAME.!! Obviously the lawmakers aren't interested in enforcing anything that protects any of us from it so maybe it's time for us to take care of it ourselves. Don't give in!!
rec'd many calls with different numbers all coming up with this company name. I have reported to my phone company & am hoping they will give me a new phone number.
I'm curious as to all of you that have had everything taken out of your account...how can that even be legal for them to access you bank account and take all of your money? Just curious as I definitely don't want that to happen. I have worked hard over the last few years to clear up my credit which is why I'm so furious with this company refusing to send me information. I'm willing to take care of a debt if it is truly my debt but since they can't give me any information, how can they expect me to just give them financial information?
Chase Bank
Account / Ref #...
Balance $xxx
In addition to the above, the rest was a plethora of information on how I could easily settle this debt. Since I don't have any accounts with Chase and I am a Jr., I thought that perhaps it was my fathers. I called to get additional information. The person I spoke with explained to me that the debt was for a credit card that I had a 'while ago'. When I asked when, I was told that it was from 1992 and it was written off as bad debt in 1996. At that point, I told her to have a nice day and hung up. I think it is absolutely insane that companies are able to prey on the unknowing folks like this. I will ignore it for now but if I'm contacted again via mail or telephone, I'll just hand it off to my attorney. Incredible that this kind of fraud is allowed by a publicly traded company.
Thank you Cory for the first list. These numbers are an update to Cory's list.
404-721-2521
404-921-2521
407-347-4021
440-580-0720
518-207-3600
626-209-2241
678-265-1568
847-994-2540
859-918-0780
954-622-9827
After reading these messages on this page, and finding out they will continue to call even when you are the incorrect person having an unlucky phone number, tjat they keep calling anyway ... wow, I won't waste my energy then. Futile stuff.
Screw it, my landline is only for use when I have phone interviews anyway, and I don't answer it anyway, so I'll just let my machine take their messages and then delete them weekly with a touch of a button.
I will sending a formal COMPLAINT to that \"davidson\" (CEO OR V. P OF PORTFOLIO) and to better business bureau!!Between my job-searching I will do everything I can to Complain about these people!!! AND THEN, FIRST THING IN THE MORNING THIS CALL HAPPENS FROM \"ERICA\" SHE WAS SOOO RUDE AND I WAS RUDE RIGHT BACK!!!
THANKS FOR INFORMING EVRYONE ABOUT THE \"STATUE OF LIMITATIONS\" THAT TALKS ABOUT OLD pAST DEBT...AND THE NUMBERS TO BLOCK..
THANKS EVERYBODY FOR ALL OF THIS INFO!!! I WILL MAKE TIME TO HELP BRING THEM DOWN. I AM STILL SOOOO MAD~ BUT I AM SO GLAD THAT I GOOGLED THEM!!!!!!
618-772-9900
914-513-0163
800-366-2373
412-282-1421
954-622-9827
316-633-7811
316-633-7813
913-800-7559
978-570-2305
443-313-1381
404-921-2521
Also, if you type 914-513-0163 into google, the first link is 800notes or something like that, and there is an ENORMOUS list of numbers from Portfolio that people have posted. Hope this helps!
800-860-0644
866-428-6589
I checked my credit report and there is NOTHING showing. What is it with these people?!?
Also contact your state Attorney General online or by mail and your Attorney General can launch an investigation if there are enough complaints.
Tell the Federal Trade Commission and the Attorney General that PR is violating federal debt collection practices and they probably are!
an add'l e-mail for CEO STEVE FREDRICKSON: sfredrickson@mllnet.com
an address & phone no. for the President:
ANDREW HOLMES
701 MONTICELLO AVE.
NORFOLK, VA 23510
(757) 627-4987
an address & phone no. for their Senior VP:
CRAIG GRUBE
3304 ULVERSTON QUAY
VIRGINIA BEACH, VA 23452
(757) 784-3559
and also a mailing address for the supervisor of the amazing piece of work who I spoke with on the phone:
DAMIEN WOODS
PO BOX 6207
NORFOLK, VA 23508
Mr. Woods was born in 1974 & will be celebrating his 38th birthday this January.
Good luck to anybody being harassed by these parasites.
of limitations has long ran out. They basically paid for a list of names and numbers to try and con money from because well quite simply they are scum. They call people several times a day as early as 7am to 11pm which is against the law, but yet they have not been shut down. It makes me wonder whos back these dirtbags are scratching to stay in business
I am now making it my life's goal to screw these guys but good. Get ready for an onslaught of attorneys PRA. You messed with the wrong person with nothing but time on his hands and a law library at his disposal.
Here is my list of PRA numbers.
702-410-7069
205-423-4020
208-588-8181
404-592-5171
407-347-4014
412-282-1420
412-282-1421
443-313-1380
484-489-2840
620-662-8870
731-984-7690
404-721-2521
404-921-2521
407-347-4021
440-580-0720
518-207-3600
626-209-2241
678-265-1568
847-994-2540
859-918-0780
954-622-9827
316-633-7811
316-633-7813
913-800-7559
978-570-2305
443-313-1381
618-772-9900
914-513-0163
800-366-2373
412-282-1421
800-860-0644
866-428-6589
***UPDATE***New tactic by PRA***
Be on the lookout for "Sunrocket DID" on your caller ID. Sunrocket DID is a DBA for PRA. They are using this new tactic because of the online backlash at places like this. KEEP IT UP FOLKS - let's shut these guys down!!!
Get a real job and stop trying to scam honest Americans!
Another helpful website for time-barred debt, limitations, collection practices, visit http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/credit-card-state-statute-limitations-1282.php.
By law they must stop contacting you if you request it in writing. They can only contact you with their acknowledgement, their intent, and documentation of the debt they alledge you owe. If they continue to call (which seems likely), they are in violation of the law and you may take action.
Know the FDCPA by heart; know what they can and cannot do.
Obviously we should always strive to pay our debts, but PRA makes mistakes, are preditory, and there are sometimes extenuating circumstances.
The few times someone ACTUALLY replied when I answered, they asked for people whom I have never even heard of and whose names are so ludicrous, I'm fairly certain if I knew them, I'd remember such a strange name.
I understand doing what you need to do. But this is interfering with my company's ability to service the clients we are contracted with. How do I get rid of them?
But, you see, it's also in Texas. I learned from a work injury that Texas has a statute of limitations of 2 years.
Let's do what Portfolio can't... Math.
2012 - 2000 = 12
12 > 2
Is greater than 2
by a whole decade.
Now, the phone representatives they have are paid mostly on piecework. Paid by production instead of salary or hourly wage. If you hold one of the Buzzard-Barf spokesfreaks on the line for a while it takes away his/her opportunity to harass somebody else who might actually pony up the bread. They deserve such treatment.
If you have a call-waiting phone I believe you can put them on hold. Get some really bad elevator music and every 12 seconds or so interrupt it with "We are currently serving other customers. Your call is important to us. Please hold for the next available operator". FOAD is an acronym the last three words of which are "Off And Die"
To update it, more recently the A.R.M. crisis which brought OUR economy to its knees and beyond, for the profit of a very few.
Smart people, great company? Thieves and liars always think of themselves as being smarter than their victims.
BELOW IS MY LETTER TO THEM, FEEL FREE TO USE IT AND BEST LUCK TO ALL:
Dear creditor/collector:
This is NOT a valid debt, thus all collections action must stop. I have never incurred this debt, nor do I intend on being bullied into paying it. Preying on the Elderly, in my opinion, is unethical.
This letter is to formally advise you that I am requesting you to cease and desist all communications with me immediately regarding the above account. As a third party debt collector- that is- not the original creditor, you must comply. Your conduct thus far is unacceptable and borders on harassment.
Please be advised that the following applies to you:
Pursuant to the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act:
Debt Collection Practices
If a consumer notifies a debt collector in writing that the consumer refuses to pay a debt or that the consumer wishes the debt collector to cease further communication with the consumer, the debt collector shall not communicate further with the consumer with respect to such debt.
You are governed by this Act as a third party debt collector or creditor attorney. All communication with me including phone calls to my home or business must stop immediately.
If you continue to contact me after receiving this dated certified mailing, you will be in violation and I will file a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission and State Attorney General's Office.
#134 - don't go paying on something that isn't yours, and remember that if it's that old, they can't take action. pay it if you want to, but most of us are just getting by paycheck to paycheck, and can only deal with the expenses we have right now.
Thanks again, everyone!
I work at a law offce but not as an attorney and we dont specialize in this sort of stuff but i do know my rights. We have a legal newspaper in our area and every day I see Portfolio sue and win their cases only because the people didnt show up made, made arrangements with Portfolio and stopped making payments or admitted that they owe the debt. GO TO COURT and DEFEND your rights ..you will win. Their are 2 other companies like Portfolio out there that are just as bad (Midland and Calvary).
I had a debt of about $18,000 from a car loan and Portfolio was handling this and the debt was over 10 years old and I laughed and told them this alledged debt was old and the judge would throw it out of court and I was never bothered again.
I went thru some bad times years ago and Portfolio has contaceted me by mail just recently and have checked my credit record and there is no debt on my record and in fact I am getting credit offers once again. So watch out for these crooks and stand your ground.
I have even thought of contacting the state attorneys general about their illegal practices and was thinking about a class action suit against these types of companies. Midland was involved in some lawsuits and the consumers have won. Maybe we should all file a class action lawsuit ti stop thes illegal practices by these scrupulous collection agencies. Fight for your rights and dont be intimidated by these people.
518-207-3618
757-275-8578
757-506-0177
This site has been very informative and I've copied and pasted some of the information in some of your posts to a Notepad document to save for future reference.
With having blocked this one number, I hope that will be the end of hearing from PRA, but I'm prepared in case it's not.
Thanks folks!
It took me five months to just to obtain the account number associated with debt PRA claimed I owed. I've had to speak with rude and un-cooperative collections representatives and account managers (all of which clearly had knowledge deficit issues). Each time, I requested to receive account information in writing. To date, they have forwarded me a settlement offer (90 days after first contact by phone) and a form letter.
My response to the unlawful business/collection practices used by PRA:
1. I forwarded a written CRRR Cease Communications Request to PRA headquarters at 140 Corporate BLVD, Norfolk VA. 23502
2. Filed a complaint with the FTC
3. Filed a complaint with the BBB
4. Requested assistance from a consumer credit complaints agency in my state
Numerous states have initiated class action lawsuits against PRA; I can only hope that my state of residence will do the same.
I found this website helpful in dealing with PRA.
http://www.budhibbs.com/bh/index.php/America-s-Top-10/2-portfolio-recovery-associates.html
Often, PRA wins judgments against consumers by default; people are either unaware of court dates or have chosen to ignore the situation.
If the debt is past the statute of limitations in your state, the debt was discharged due to bankruptcy, or you honestly do not owe it, fight PRA.
Take action:
1. Request and review copies of your credit report yearly, don’t be afraid to dispute entries you believe to be wrong;
2. Become familiar with SOL in your state: http://www.fair-debt-collection.com/SOL-by-State.html
3. Know the FDCPA laws affecting your state: http://www.bcsalliance.com/y_debt_statelaws.html
4. You have the right within 30 days of receiving written notice from a debt collector to request verification and validation of the debt; debt proceedings must cease at the time of notification, and the dispute must be reported to credit reporting agencies.
5. You have the right to request that PRA cease communications with you. Forward a CRRR (certified return receipt requested) Cease Communications Request, in writing.
6. Report PRA to the BBB, FTC, State Attorney General’s Office and local consumer credit complaint agencies. The volume of complaints will alert federal/consumer agencies and state officials to the problem that is PRA.
Below is a listing of helpful websites:
http://www.ftc.gov/
http://norfolk.bbb.org/
Today I received a letter from Portfolio Recovery Assoc. It's been about a year since I have heard from them and over 10 years since I defaulted on a Capitol 1 Credit Card. The bad debt was reported and remained on my credit report for 7 yrs. My feeling is this, I no longer owe Capitol 1. They received payment the 7 yrs it remained on my credit report. I learned my lesson and now take my credit seriously. I can't go back I can only move forward and learn from this. But SERIOUSLY this company thinks I am going to pay after all these years and its not on my report anymore (if I havent paid yet what makes them think I will pay now). What concerns me is how this company remains in business. How many people are feeding THIS SCAM for them to stay in business as long as they have. If Portfolio reads this,if you think I care about your stupid letters (your not even Capitol 1 youre a SCAM company)
Thanks everyone for sharing and letting me vent my story.
Diane
I agree that this is a sleazy company. We live in TN and they filed a lawsuit against us which ended up with a judgement that we didn't know what was happening before it was too late.
They were contacting us at an old address we didn't live at for over 2 years. They were collecting for a bill we disputed long ago with the original company and when we made the last payment it was the last payment we agreed we owed. The rest was bs and we refused to pay. 6 months later it went into collections, but by that point we moved. We NEVER heard anything from the company and assumed it would just circulate to junk collectors.
We do plan on filing suit to reverse the judgement, but just a heads up to anyone who gets a mysterious lien on a paycheck.
Please listen closely, this company can be beat in court if you know how to play the game, even if the debt is legit and current. This is what you do: As soon as you receive a letter from them demanding payment, fire back a letter (must be certified, and keep receipt) requesting validation and proof of purchase or accusation of this debt, also require something with your signature on it proving you owe this money. Let them know this debt is disputed and to stop reporting on your credit report. See what they come back with. here is the thing, many times they cannot prove you owe this debt in court. If you receive a summons, answer all questions and appear for any court date. Amazingly 95% of people when sued for credit card debt ignore the summons and do not appear in court. THIS NIS JUST WHAT THEY WANT. Automatic default, Now the fun begins, they will levy your bank account or garnish your wages. All this could be avoiding by fighting them in court. They don't want to fight people in court. It is possible that by just answering the summons they will dismiss the case, because they will have to pay their attorney more and it is a big hassle, they prefer the easy ones, which are most of them. Even if your lose in court you can negotiate the bill then, without bank levies. You have to be proactive and fight them. Again they have hundreds of thousands of cases, they will go after the easy ones.
If you do not show up to court they don't have to prove anything, they win you lose. If you fight they will have to prove they own this debt and many times they cannot. They buy these debts in such bulk, that often all they have is a few statements from your account, and that wont be enough to win in court.
1. Sent them a detailed Debt Validation (DV) letter which also included language requesting them to Cease and Desist (CD) in any telephone communications. Sent via Certified Mail on 1/31/12 (within 30 days of receipt). I received the certification of their receipt on 2/3/12
2. I received a missed call from 205-453-1648 (PRA) phone number on 2/14. I took a screen shot of the date, time and phone number from my phone and emailed it to myself just as documentation. I didn’t do anything at this point thinking they had closed their efforts.
3. On 3/1/12 received their “Verification” letter detailing the information and with account details showing account opened in 2000 but no date on last activity. This was not a true validation but from what I learned is their stock letter. The debt was correct however because it was past SOL (4yrs for CA) for legal pursuit and past credit reporting timeframe, in essence a zombie debt. There I sent a dispute letter. The letter stated I dispute the validity of the debt to be pursued in court and to save us both time and not to pursue any further action. And because they sent this letter I realized that the telephone call that they made to my cell was a direct violation of FDCPA laws since they had in their possession my CD letter at the time of the call. So I reported complaints of their activity to CA State Attorney General, the Federal Trade Commission and Better Business Bureau stating all the facts. I included this information in the letter and sent it off certified on 3/5/12 (within 30 days)
4. On 3/14/12 I received the following response to my BBB case:
RECEIVE BUSINESS RESPONSE : Thank you for bringing this matter to the attention of our office. Portfolio
Recovery Associates has concluded its investigation of the consumer's complaint, closed the account ending in 1485 and determined to refrain from
further collection communications with the consumer in regard to the account.
What I learned is that if PRA calls you or sends you a letter immediately send a DV letter that includes CD telephone communication. Then if they continue to call after receipt of that CD then they are in direct violation of FDCPA laws and I would report to all 3 agencies of the activity. Then once they respond with their verification letter, should the debt be old, send a SOL letter requesting to cease further activity. Letter say in any letter that you are willing to work with them or acknowledging the validity of the debt. What I learned is that debt can always be collected as it is debt, however whether it is valid to pursue legal action or not is another story and the practices to collect that debt is very clear.
Now if their BBB response is correct this case should be closed but I wont hold my breath that it will not happen again and/or they will do their usual 1099c reporting which will be another round of communication.
I received a tri-fold letter today about a SW Bell bill for around $1000. I'VE NEVER HAD SW BELL. If I did, it was AGES ago. I'm not sure if it's even worth responding to see what it's all about, since it just seems to be a scam.
Anyway , they still took me to court and it was dismissed . Within 3 months Portfolio Recovery purchased this debt from Capital One and have been calling me now for well over a year . I tell them it's their dime so if they want to chat I'm all ears . I just joke with them . I ask them if I send them one of my debts would they pay it ? Of course they say " no, why would I pay a bill that's not mine ? " I answer , exactly the reason I will never pay something that is not mine . There are fools everywhere in this world . PR is there to make us laugh . And for the other fools on here that say PR is a great company , I guess even their employees read & comment on this site .
Anyway , they still took me to court and it was dismissed . Within 3 months Portfolio Recovery purchased this debt from Capital One and have been calling me now for well over a year . I tell them it's their dime so if they want to chat I'm all ears . I just joke with them . I ask them if I send them one of my debts would they pay it ? Of course they say " no, why would I pay a bill that's not mine ? " I answer , exactly the reason I will never pay something that is not mine . There are fools everywhere in this world . PR is there to make us laugh . And for the other fools on here that say PR is a great company , I guess even their employees read & comment on this site .
his operator number is PRA754-
very rude cupcake of a guy!
he told me to fax to this number 757-321-2504
Now for some information to anyone living in Florida. ANY collections company MUST be registered with the State of Florida to contact any Florida resident. If the company is NOT registered they are in VIOLATION of Florida LAW. If you are contacted by these collection companies or any others contact the Florida Attorney General AND the State Attorney General in the state where the company is from!!!
Also Statute of Limitations is for the most part 4-6 YEARS for an "Open Account" and starts at the last dated activity on the account (such as a payment). These companies can NOT threaten ANY legal actions against you as that is in violation of the Fair Credit Reporting Act and laws!!! Another thing to say here is, DO NOT ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANYTHING!!! Also cease and desist letters are a good thing as it forces them to use the US Mail System to which they can then be sued for MAIL FRAUD which is a Federal Offense and can be punishable by major fines and/or prison sentences!!!